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Points and Origination Fees: What You Actually Pay

The short answer

A point is 1% of the loan, paid at closing. Here is how points, origination and junk fees stack up on an investor loan, and which ones are negotiable.

A point is 1% of the loan amount, paid at closing. Two points on a $500,000 loan is $10,000. That is the whole definition, and it is the number most borrowers underweight when they compare two quotes on rate alone.

Points versus rate

Points and rate trade against each other. A lender can quote you a lower rate and take more of the return up front, or quote a higher rate and take less. Neither is a trick. On a short hold they are very different bills.

On a 6-month flip, a point costs you the same whether you exit in month 3 or month 6, but the rate only runs while the loan is outstanding. Pay for a lower rate on a deal you plan to exit early and you are buying something you will not use. Our fix and flip term is 6 months, so that math comes up on nearly every file.

What origination actually covers

Origination is the lender's fee for underwriting and closing the loan. On investor loans it is usually expressed in points and sits in the same line as them. It pays for the work of reading your deal, ordering what needs ordering, and funding.

The fees that are not the lender's

  • Appraisal or valuation — paid to a third party, not the lender.
  • Title and escrow — see title and insurance on an investor loan.
  • Recording and transfer — set by the county, identical whoever funds you.
  • Inspection or draw fees — on a build, per draw. See draw inspections.

Ask which line items are the lender's and which are pass-through. The pass-throughs are broadly the same everywhere. The lender's own lines are where quotes actually differ.

How to compare two quotes properly

Add the points, the origination, and the interest you will actually pay over your real hold period. Then compare that one number. Our hard money cost calculator does it for you, and what a 6-month flip loan costs walks a full example.

For the rate side of the same question, hard money loan rates and costs covers what drives the rate itself.

What is negotiable

Points move on deal quality: experience, leverage, and how clean the exit is. A borrower on their eighth flip with 65% LTV has room a first-timer at 90% does not. Third-party costs do not move, because they are not ours to move.

Terms are subject to underwriting, and this is not a commitment to lend.

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Frequently asked

Can I negotiate points down?
Sometimes, and usually by trading them against the rate rather than removing them. Points and rate are two ends of one lever: fewer points generally means a higher rate. What actually moves pricing is the strength of the file, loan size, leverage, experience and credit. Compare offers on rate and points together, which is the only number that decides your cost of capital.
Are points refundable if the deal dies?
Points are earned at closing, so if the loan never closes there are none to refund. What you can spend before closing are third-party costs already incurred, an appraisal or a title search. Ask any lender which costs are due up front and which are collected at closing, and get the answer before you order anything.
What is a point on a loan?
One point is 1% of the loan amount, paid at closing. Two points on a $500,000 loan is $10,000. Points are separate from the interest rate and are paid whether you hold the loan for one month or twelve.
Are points better than a higher rate?
It depends entirely on your hold period. Points are a fixed cost paid up front; interest only accrues while the loan is outstanding. On a short flip you often want fewer points and accept the rate, because you will not hold long enough to earn back the up-front spend.
Which closing costs are the lender's and which are not?
Origination and points are the lender's. Appraisal, title, escrow, recording and transfer taxes are third-party or county costs that are broadly the same regardless of who funds you. Ask any lender to split the two, because only the first group is really being quoted.

Rates, leverage, and timelines mentioned in this guide are typical figures, subject to underwriting and market conditions. Not a commitment to lend. Nothing here is legal, tax, or investment advice.

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